This is really the extent of Gorgias attempting to remove himself from Socrates' argument, but instead, pulls him deeper into the intellectual trap, for Gorgias has only one misgiving about the entire situation . . . he fears that the crowd of onlookers might be disinterested in two men trying to outdo each other in being wrong (458b-c). Thus, Gorgias proves two things: he cannot intellectually handle a multi-layered discussion and he needs an audience in order to perform -- the basics of dialog and intellectual discourse are lost upon him. If then, Gorgias needs an audience, Socrates must be correct in that rhetoric is a craft -- designed not for serious intellectual combat, but for pure entertainment value.
2.Explain and critically evaluate Socrates reasoning for the apparently preposterous claim that tyrants like orators have no great power (Gorgias 466a-468e). You should make sure that you take into account Socrates distinction between doing what one wants and doing what one sees fit. How does Socrates argue for this distinction? How crucial to Socrates argument is it? Is there any such distinction or is Socrates simply mistaken? or, even worse, is Socrates merely playing word games.
One of the primary claims within the entire dialog focuses on Socrates' view of the wielding of real power. He advances the idea that "orators and tyrants have the very least power in any of our cities" (466d). By putting rulers (tyrants) and practitioners of rhetoric into the same category, Socrates indicates that both groups, think they are doing what is in the best interest of themselves to further their means, but in fact...
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Gorgias, Encomium of Helen In the English language in the twenty-first century, the term "sophistry" still exists to refer to a plausible-sounding but misleading argument, an evaluatively negative term to describe bad reasoning. Although the term derives from the original Sophists in Athens in the 5th century BCE, the modern usage of the term is inaccurate in describing the likes of the Sophist Gorgias. By examining Gorgias' "Encomium of Helen" and
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